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In this podcast, Motley Fool analyst Jim Gillies and host Ricky Mulvey discuss:
- A sporting goods retailer aggressively buying back stock.
- Aritzia‘s impressive recovery year.
Then, Motley Fool host Alison Southwick and personal finance expert Robert Brokamp address listener questions about diversification in the S&P 500 and foreign stock sales.
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Ricky Mulvey: Welcome to our retail-focused episode of Motley Fool Money. I’m Ricky Mulvey and with me is Jim Gillies, who has a strong aversion to debt. Some might even call him Canada’s Dave Ramsey. Thanks for joining us, Jim.
Jim Gillies: I’m glad to be here—and I’ve got more hair than Dave Ramsey, which is an advantage.
Ricky Mulvey: For new listeners, this might be a bit confusing, but hopefully, our regulars get the humor. Let’s wrap up a different story before diving into retail. There was a significant development involving the alleged killer of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, apprehended at a McDonald’s in Altona, Pennsylvania. While he hasn’t been convicted yet, the evidence seems compelling.
This incident marks a rare event: a major assassination of a business leader. It feels significant historically. In consideration of discussions surrounding American healthcare, it’s a stark reminder that we often overlook the struggles that others face. What are your thoughts before we shift back to more conventional topics?
Jim Gillies: It’s certainly valuable to assess the American healthcare system, especially through a Canadian lens. While there are many troubling stories, nothing can justify such a heinous act. I genuinely hope this is an isolated incident and not an emerging trend. Advocating violence online is deeply concerning.
Ricky Mulvey: Let’s change gears and talk about Academy Sports and Outdoors. This retailer is akin to a combination of Dick’s Sporting Goods, Walmart, and TJ Maxx. They sell a diverse range of items, from camping gear to hunting rifles. I personally invest in this company because, when you recommend a retailer, I often take action and add it to my portfolio.
Having reviewed their earnings report today, I noticed some troubling signs. Comp sales have dropped about 5% in stores, which contrasts sharply with Dick’s Sporting Goods. Their earnings and net income both saw a decline of about 30%. Given your insights, do you think this is a turning point, or are we witnessing a different kind of decline?
Jim Gillies: This is certainly not another Big Lots situation—they’re currently in bankruptcy. Academy Sports And Outdoors is generating cash flow, which is crucial and differentiates it from struggling companies. Yes, the recent quarter was disappointing, with major figures down by 30%. However, the stock’s increase today might indicate that the worst was already expected. Investors may have anticipated an even worse outcome.
Every business faces ups and downs in its growth journey. This brand is committed to expanding nationwide, having added 16 stores this year alone, with plans for 15-20 more in the coming year. This management team, which has been in place since 2019, has navigated considerable challenges before and remains focused on long-term growth. The stock is currently trading around $52, and I believe it could realistically be worth over $80. What are your thoughts on this valuation?
Ricky Mulvey: You’ve made a strong argument. Let’s keep exploring these financial dynamics.
Jim Gillies: To elaborate, this company’s solid cash flow is a positive sign, even amidst recent challenges.
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Evaluating Financial Trends: A Case Study of Key Growth Strategies
Anticipated Free Cash Flow Trends
In the most recent quarter, the company reported approximately $34 million in free cash flow. Typically, Q3 indicates a decrease in cash flow due to significant investments in inventory ahead of the holiday season. For the next quarter, expectations point to free cash flow ranging between $150 million and $200 million. Over the past twelve months, total cash flow has reached $430 million. In my assessment, the company is likely to see revenue growth in the very low single digits over the next few years, but a reacceleration is possible. They are currently at the beginning stages of a new five-year growth plan.
Previous Success and Future Projections
This latest five-year initiative follows an earlier plan that was completed ahead of schedule, demonstrating past success. However, I project that it will take around four years before free cash flow levels return to current figures. This cautious approach stems from a combination of slightly lower margins than previously reported and a reasonably high discount rate. The company currently holds a net debt position of approximately $190 million, with some cash reserves available.
Valuing Company Shares Amid Uncertainties
To assess the fair market value of the company’s shares, I utilized the Black-Scholes model to appraise outstanding stock options. Based on my calculations, I estimate the fair value at over $80 per share, while the stock is currently trading at around $52. Including outstanding options as equivalent to debt, and taking account of performance stock units and restricted stock grants, I still find it challenging to justify a value below $80. In a scenario where growth does not return, the price may align with the current trading price, which seems unlikely given their push for expansion.
Management Strategies and Capital Allocation
Ricky Mulvey: Let’s discuss management’s approach.
Jim Gillies: Management is implementing a small dividend while funding store growth through free cash flow. This includes the capital spent on new store openings. Some analysts separate expenditures into maintenance capital and growth capital, adding back growth costs since these are discretionary. The company actively buys back its shares—a strategy I support as it trades at a discount compared to its worth, and they are repurchasing shares at a 30% discount to fair value.
Analyzing Share Buybacks
Ricky Mulvey: Finding opportunities in share buybacks can be worthwhile even amidst declining comparable sales and earnings per share. If companies can buy back shares without debt troubles, it’s generally a sound decision.
Jim Gillies: I concur; aggressive buybacks can be positive, especially when they lower the share count substantially. The company is undertaking $700 million in share repurchases, which is significant considering its valuation below $4 billion. Initially, there were about 90 million shares outstanding, but this number has lowered to roughly 70 million today, simplifying our calculations.
Spotlight on Aritzia’s Growth
Ricky Mulvey: Switching gears to Aritzia, you previously highlighted it as a promising investment. The retailer, often likened to Canada’s Lululemon, has been expanding its U.S. presence. How do you view this move?
Jim Gillies: This expansion is crucial for Aritzia. While they have saturated the Canadian market, the focus should now be on prime locations in the U.S. Their growth should continue in major cities, and I’m encouraged by this trend, particularly as their stock is up approximately 83% compared to a 27% increase in the market this year. As a shareholder, I’m optimistic about its future.
Ricky Mulvey: What do you believe contributes to Aritzia’s popularity in Canada?
Jim Gillies: They position themselves in the fashion market as an “everyday luxury” brand, appealing to consumers seeking quality but not the high prices associated with luxury labels. Aritzia’s model is reminiscent of Lululemon’s early success, and its expansion plans could reflect a similar trajectory for the future.
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The Resilience of Aritzia: Lessons from Lululemon’s Comeback Story
In the world of fashion retail, Aritzia’s unique appeal echoes Lululemon’s remarkable recovery, offering investors valuable insights.
When discussing investment opportunities on US exchanges, Aritzia is worth considering. Just over a decade ago, Lululemon faced issues with see-through yoga pants that significantly impacted its stock, which plummeted from $80 to $35. My conversation with a friend, who was pursuing her master’s degree, made an impression. I mentioned that despite Lululemon’s struggles, I noticed many people still wearing its products at a café near the university. She pointed out an important truth: Lululemon creates clothing that makes women feel good about themselves. That insight resonated with me and seems relevant to Aritzia’s strategy as well. Similar to Lululemon, customers of Aritzia genuinely appreciate their products. My own daughter has a favorite Aritzia sweatshirt that she wears almost every day.
Ricky Mulvey: Here at Motley Fool, we offer a resource called Breakfast News, which provides a daily market overview. Today’s question for investors was about aspects they might overlook in a company. Personally, I believe inside ownership matters. As Bill Mann says, we should consider whether a company’s leaders have a stake in its future. For Aritzia, founder and former CEO Brian Hill owns 18% of the shares, which suggests strong alignment with shareholders. There’s something to be said for that. What do you think investors might underrate about Aritzia?
Jim Gillies: I would highlight two key factors. First is growth potential that extends beyond the typical projections used in discounted cash flow models. Most forecasts only account for a limited period, usually 5 to 10 years, after which growth rates are assumed to drop significantly, often around GDP growth rates. Analyzing successful companies like Starbucks or McDonald’s, we see that their growth stories can last much longer than those models suggest. The second factor is effective cash flow allocation. I encourage investors to compare how different companies, like Academy Sports and Outdoor versus Sleep Number, manage their capital. The contrasting results are striking.
Ricky Mulvey: Thank you for your insights, Jim. Up next, Alison Southwick and Robert Brokamp will address some listener questions sent to podcasts@fool.com, including topics on diversification in the S&P 500 and queries about investing in foreign stocks.
Alison Southwick: Our first question comes from Jeff, who raises a valid point about the S&P 500 index fund as a means of diversification. Given that the seven largest companies now make up over 30% of the index, Jeff wonders if true diversification is being compromised. Historically, it took many more companies to create the same level of concentration. After discussing this with ChatGPT, Jeff leans towards using an equal-weight S&P 500 ETF for better diversification. He notes that mid-cap stocks tend to deliver better long-term returns, suggesting smaller companies might provide more growth potential.
Robert Brokamp: Jeff, you’ve eloquently articulated a significant concern. The S&P 500 is indeed a market capitalization-weighted index, meaning the largest companies dominate its makeup. This concentration has grown, particularly with the “Magnificent Seven”—Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, and Tesla—now comprising about 33% of the index. To illustrate, the top ten companies account for around 37%, a stark increase from past years. While concentration can be beneficial or detrimental, a recent report from Goldman Sachs predicts average returns of only 3% for the S&P 500 over the next decade, attributing some of that sluggish growth to high concentration levels. If you share their concerns, considering an equal-weighted S&P 500 ETF, like the Invesco S&P 500 Equal Weight ETF (Ticker: RSP), may be prudent. It offers better diversification, with top holdings like United Airlines and Palantir, which represent only 0.4% each. In contrast, traditional S&P 500 components, such as Apple and Nvidia, each account for about 6% to 7%. By broadening your focus, you could realize greater growth opportunities.
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Assessing Investment Strategies and Tax Implications: Insights for Savvy Investors
Understanding Fund Allocations: Balancing Mid-Caps and Small-Caps
In the S&P 500, mid-cap stocks account for approximately 18% of the fund, while small-cap stocks are absent. An effective strategy is to consider investing in a mid-cap fund like Vanguard’s, ticker symbol MO, while also allocating funds to the S&P 600 Small-Cap index with the ticker IJR. Despite some shifts, maintaining investment in the S&P 500 index fund remains a viable option, as demonstrated by its long-term performance over the last 25 years.
Tax Implications of Stock Sale: A Case Study
Next, a question from Pete highlights the complexities of stock sales. Pete sold shares from a Swiss company where he worked after they were granted as restricted stock units over the past decade, paying U.S. income tax on them as they vested. Unfortunately, he sold the stock for a price significantly lower than its original value, resulting in a substantial loss that exceeds the annual capital loss deduction limit of $3,000. He considers selling another stock that has gained value to offset this loss.
Pete’s strategy of offsetting gains with losses is valid but the execution may pose additional questions, especially since the stocks in question involve foreign securities. It’s important to recognize that while the IRS allows taxpayers to utilize losses to offset capital gains, the interaction can vary based on specific circumstances and types of investments.
Maximizing Losses: Potential Strategies
As Robert Brokamp explains, this period of year is commonly associated with tax loss harvesting, where investments that are performing poorly are sold to mitigate tax liabilities on realized gains. In Pete’s case, even though he’s captured a significant loss, the potential for utilizing those losses moving forward is key. The loss can offset $3,000 in ordinary income if no other gains exist, and recognizing gains now can effectively use those losses. Gaining this perspective can benefit him if he carefully considers the tax rate implications between short-term and long-term gains.
Gifting Strategies: Navigating Family Finance
Our next topic, posed by Karen, investigates the benefits of gifting money to children now versus after the passing of a loved one, particularly concerning estate planning. While a Roth IRA can be established for minors, contributions should be limited to the child’s earned income. The current annual IRA contribution limit stands at $7,000, but if a child earns only $2,000 from a summer job, then that’s the maximum they can contribute. Individuals should also assess if the elder family member has sufficient funds for future needs before deciding on the gift.
In terms of tax advantages, there are few immediate benefits to gifting resources now versus later unless estate tax is a concern. With a federal net worth threshold of roughly $14 million before triggering estate tax liabilities, many families do not need to prioritize this aspect. Still, sharing wealth while still alive can offer enriching teaching moments for future generations about investing and financial responsibility.
Social Security Earnings: Clarifying Factors
An inquiry from Mike leads to a discussion about Social Security calculations. When determining benefits, only earnings from jobs are counted — pensions, interest, dividends, or capital gains do not factor in. Individuals can review their earning history online; additional working years at a higher income can bolster benefits, emphasizing the value of continued employment as retirement approaches.
Evaluating 401(k) Options: Moving Towards IRA Investment
Lastly, a question from someone identifying as “just a fool” considers the relevance of transitioning an existing 401(k) from a previous job to an IRA. Generally, rolling over a 401(k) into an IRA is advisable as it provides greater investment flexibility and often lower costs. This transition becomes increasingly important as one nears retirement age, where conservative investment management typically becomes a priority.
Each of these discussions emphasizes the importance of strategic financial planning, from investments to tax implications, enhancing one’s financial literacy for better decision-making.
Understanding Your 401(k) Options Post-Employment
When considering how to handle your 401(k) after leaving a job, you have several pathways. Rolling over to an IRA opens up access to various cash equivalents, bond funds, and even opportunities to purchase individual bonds. Options like cash equivalents, money market accounts, and CDs become available as a result.
Expanding Your Investment Choices Beyond 401(k)
In an IRA, you gain the ability to invest in individual stocks, along with a vast selection of funds and ETFs—an extensive choice not typically available within a 401(k). However, there are valid reasons to keep your money in the 401(k) plan. Some plans feature unique funds that may offer institutional pricing, resulting in lower expense ratios compared to what you would find elsewhere.
Withdrawals from 401(k) Plans: The Age 55 Exception
Another key reason to maintain your funds in a 401(k) is if you’re approaching retirement. For individuals aged 55 or older, certain plans allow penalty-free withdrawals. However, this rule applies only to the 401(k) of the employer at which you were employed at that age. It’s important to remember that this exception does not pertain to individuals who left their job years ago.
Considering IRAs: Existing vs. New Accounts
The decision to roll over your 401(k) into an existing IRA or establish a new one is largely a matter of personal preference. If you are satisfied with your current IRA provider, it makes sense to proceed with that option.
Ricky Mulvey: Note that program participants may have personal investments in the stocks discussed. The Motley Fool adheres to strict editorial standards, ensuring that recommendations are made purely on merit without external pressures. I’m Ricky Mulvey, and I appreciate your attention. We will return tomorrow with more insights.
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